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Issue #33, August 2011

* Improved routing performance by up to 24%
* L2MTU and it's importance in MPLS, QinQ etc
* a NEW product!
* Training and MUM information
* OmniTIK and Groove information

Normis RB711UA-2HnD Dual Chain is nice

When 5G version?

everything in it's own time

It is interesting that when you make a 5G Groove, so all wants the 2.4 GHz version

We (Czech Republic and other) want to Dual chain 5Ghz RB711 2,4Ghz version is not useless for us

I'm hoping 5.7 will be released today! Interested to test out the increased performance.

Guys do we really need a 1Watt 711-2A.

I appreciate the dual chain. it is indeed a necessity but 1 Watt (WHAT) for??
500mW was more than enough. With so much noise around we dunno what frequency to use. At 2.4 the Noise Floor in our area has already gone low too -75.

Suggest what should we use to serve client at Noise Floor -75 and which even goes less during day.
Please no more NOISE.

RB Crossroads was a 1 watt amp tuned down. Worked quite well for me, used it until it was dropped.

They were set with a factory limit of 26 dB, most of the time I had them turned down further. It is nice to have the power to turn it up a bit when a particularly nasty fog or tropical storm comes through.

RB Crossroads was a 1 watt amp tuned down. Worked quite well for me, used it until it was dropped.

They were set with a factory limit of 26 dB, most of the time I had them turned down further. It is nice to have the power to turn it up a bit when a particularly nasty fog or tropical storm comes through.

I agree we can tune down but there r a lot of people who don't understand that. They just think their signal should break thru any wall and hence use them at BOOMING power.and they keep on adding AP's all full blasting one after the other. and then complain "my ping is going high"

I don't mind even 2 Watts for client devices but as an AP pls pls use less power

I don't mind even 2 Watts for client devices but as an AP pls pls use less power

I agree on the AP side. It's not an power war we need to fight. But on the CPE it equally makes no sense too.
If you need high power to reach AP, than AP needs same high power to get to CPE.
If high power is needed to reach low power AP, than the CPE antenna will pick up weak signal from AP and your link is still crap. Power levels leaving the antenna should be roughly the same on both ends...

Guys do we really need a 1Watt 711-2A.

I appreciate the dual chain. it is indeed a necessity but 1 Watt (WHAT) for??
500mW was more than enough. With so much noise around we dunno what frequency to use. At 2.4 the Noise Floor in our area has already gone low too -75.

Suggest what should we use to serve client at Noise Floor -75 and which even goes less during day.
Please no more NOISE.

我同意对大多数咕噜咕噜叫poses, no there's no need for 1 watt. If you're dealing with long range ptp links the extra power can come in handy.

I'd honestly expected to see a watt out something like a Groove first though rather than a 711.

The real answer for it is market competition. It seems most of the new products rolling out lately are routinely 1 watt devices. It tends to be one of the first features compared when shopping for devices. If someone wants long range wifi the general response is to look for the biggest TX power numbers in their price range.

I on the other hand like the 1Watt power output..

It eliminates the need for an external amplifier.

I have a number of installations where it makes sense to run longer lengths of LMR because it brings the sensitive equipment down to a height that is easier to maintain.

Case and point.. We often use 50' utility poles or 30-50' telescoping masts. Once these things are up its not easy to maintain if theres a failed radio or board etc... Believe me I've had some rough winters and rethought the whole "Less LMR the better" theory.

Now if you run LMR400 up the mast all the equipment that is likely to fail is now at a manageable level. No need for a bucket truck, dropping the mast, etc.. Makes life easier.

Having a 30dBm card/device gives you more flexibility with your installations.

Now I agree if I can mount the radio as close to the antenna as possible and it makes sense to do so from a performance AND reliability stand point I will always opt for this solution, but why limit the equipment to only this type of installation ??

anyway that's my 2cents.....

OK I agree to all the opinions posted ... but pls tell me how to get clients working at Noise Floor -75. I have tried all the available channels 1-13 permitted in my country. The noise floor is same.

OK I agree to all the opinions posted ... but pls tell me how to get clients working at Noise Floor -75. I have tried all the available channels 1-13 permitted in my country. The noise floor is same.

Use high gain directional antenna's on the clients and direct it precisely to the AP. This way your noise level goes down (less noise) and you can work with lower power on both client and AP.

The focus is too much on power. More power is not the solution to most problems Good use of quality antenna's are.

Many radio's in a close environment is just like your family. If they all scream nobody can hear any more what the other says. It won't improve if you start using load hailers..... But If in contrary everybody speaks in low volume all you need is a good set of ears to hear the other you want to hear perfectly....

Imho the industry should much more focus on good antenna's with better (radio AND antenna's) resistance against unwanted noise. There is much more to gain here than simply boost up the radio's. I can put an 200Watt amplifier at my system. But what happens if the competition does the same? Fruitless future.....

I exactly mean the same thing WirelessRudy. I have always tried to get the best possible sectors and client Antenna. but then there r a lot of NEIGHBOURS who have XR5/ COMPEX 1 Watt cards mounted on cheap quality sectors and the funniest part i find is that if a sector is directed to EAST the client gets good signal in the SOUTH rather than getting in the EAST. Then they have another XR5 facing south which also gives good signal in the SOUTH and incidentally my tower comes in between these two sectors. NOISE Floor -75/77. I can barely reach 1 mbps collectively for my clients on that sector before the ping starts to break.
I need a card from Mikrotik which solves my problem

if a sector is directed to EAST the client gets good signal in the SOUTH rather than getting in the EAST. Then they have another XR5 facing south which also gives good signal in the SOUTH and incidentally my tower comes in between these two sectors.

I don't quiet understand what you mean here? Are this your clients you refer to? Can you make an sketch to explain what your situation is?
What is your option to migrate to 5Ghz? 2,4Ghz has bad channel separation so high power units will almost inevitably have influence on other band users....

I have started using 5 ghz. got a 711A- 5hn on a 60 deg panel 20 dbi and have 711 -5hn clients - 2 nos. and sxt client 1 nos. running. All signals are less than -70. I am going to put 2 more sxt's tomorrow.
I have seen guys in Mikrotik post bandwidth test showing 35-40-80 mbps but I dunno even with full clear LOS and even with 711 connected ptp I was never able to throw more than 8/9 mbps tx/rx in udp in my bandwidth test.

ETA on 5.7?

I have started using 5 ghz. got a 711A- 5hn on a 60 deg panel 20 dbi and have 711 -5hn clients - 2nos. and sxt client 1 nos. running. All signals are less than -70. I am going to put 2 more sxt's tomorrow.
I have seen guys in Mikrotik post bandwidth test showing 35-40-80 mbps but I dunno even with full clear LOS and even with 711 connected ptp I was never able to throw more than 8/9 mbps tx/rx in udp in my bandwidth test.

With "nos" you mean "nlos" yeah? (Near line of sight).
Nlos in 5Ghz, forget about it. You will only get marginal or very variable connections. Using ´n´ protocol might help a bit but so far I haven't had very good results myself with that.

What do you mean with "All signals are less than -70." Do you mean "less" in lower numbers? (So, -65 for instance) or "less" in signal? (So, -75 for instance.)
-70 is sort of the limit anyway for NV2 in 5Ghz band. Worse signals are possible but than the connection rates have to be set low, 12, 18 or 24Mbps to get some stable connection.

If you are only able to produce 8/9mbps udp on a ptp link you really have a very problematic link. Give us some more details and we might be able to help you a bit on that.

By nos. i mean 2 numbers. it is actually a ptmp link. with 711-A-5hn as AP and 7115hn and sxt clients.

I have another link that is 7115hn PtoP and i just get 8/9 mbps out of it. LOS is very clear and height is 110 ft at one end and 90 ft on the other end.

you will get 1W only if you use both chains, and mostly non-MT customers will not be on dual-pol antennas ... so minus 3dB for that scenario

OK how do we compare 711 -A-2Hn with R52-Hn when both r operative at 2 Ghz. Any practical feedbacks coming in??

I have had fabulous experiences and rock solid links PtoMP when using R52Hn at 5 Ghz and 711 or SXT clients but at 2 Ghz I am yet to be calling R52Hn even fair.
I was waiting for a dual pol card at 2 GHz. As my vendor was constantly forcing me to go for Rocket M2. I already have 2Ghz dual pol. Airmax Sectors

By nos. i mean 2 numbers. it is actually a ptmp link. with 711-A-5hn as AP and 7115hn and sxt clients.

I have another link that is 7115hn PtoP and i just get 8/9 mbps out of it. LOS is very clear and height is 110 ft at one end and 90 ft on the other end.

I looked at your settings. For a connection rate of 27Mbps an aggregated (up + down!) throughput of 27,2Mbps udp is not bad at all.
(link is simplex, your data traffic throughput calculation counts both. Radio can only do one thing at a time, either send or receive....)

indeed 802.11a/g these 27MBps is ok speed of data, maximum would be around 30MBps in close to ideal conditions.

I was waiting for a dual pol card at 2 GHz.

What do you mean? Any ´n´ enabled card has two connectors to connect two antenna's for dual polarity use. Several brands on the market with these for some time now....

yes, for example the N cards here also:
http://routerboard.com/#group_13

Ok so the 1200 Ethernet drivers are improved. I have had multiple instances where the 1200 seemed to crash or ports would become unresponsive. Is this issue addressed at all? When will the v5.7 be available?

We have not had RB1200 become unresponsive, but have noticed that "overall stats" on ether6 never increase.

any comments on routing performance improvements?

I doubt it was just some bad piece of code, that was rewritten with speed in mind...

any comments on routing performance improvements?

I doubt it was just some bad piece of code, that was rewritten with speed in mind...

Why not. Most programmers only get time to make it work. Optimizations are a goodie you
cant place on your feature list (I was a programmer for some years) and take a lot of
time.
Nobody has the time to do a deep profiling of his code, identify the hotspots and do some
assembler macros or pragmas. It might be very small chunks of code which gives you
10 Percent. Sometimes you get some Percents by just using another compiler.

When is the new version of ROS being released. I have a few RB1200s that I would like to try it on.

When is the new version of ROS being released. I have a few RB1200s that I would like to try it on.

If you have a special issue you think that might be solved in new ROS than write to support. Maybe they send you the new ros to try and see if it helps in your special issue. They have done so before...

waiting in line for the 5.7.

专家提示:如果你要宣布5.7是一个gazillion times better at routing, announce a release date at the same time. Otherwise, don't tease us and then don't deliver. It's like going to a club and seeing this hot chick drinking the beer that you like and then finding out that not only is she not available but she's dating your best friend too.

专家提示:如果你要宣布5.7是一个gazillion times better at routing, announce a release date at the same time. Otherwise, don't tease us and then don't deliver. It's like going to a club and seeing this hot chick drinking the beer that you like and then finding out that not only is she not available but she's dating your best friend too.

we will release it next week

When are the RB751 cpe coming? August is over! Also yeah get 5.7 out the door, Routing improvements are good but I'm also waiting for DHCPv6-PD in 5.8

专家提示:如果你要宣布5.7是一个gazillion times better at routing, announce a release date at the same time. Otherwise, don't tease us and then don't deliver. It's like going to a club and seeing this hot chick drinking the beer that you like and then finding out that not only is she not available but she's dating your best friend too.

we will release it next week

What? Hot chick or beer?

The girl will come as a bonus to randomly chosen upgraders. Just check the upgrade log file

The girl will come as a bonus to randomly chosen upgraders. Just check the upgrade log file

I'll check it every minute now!

Actually this should go as a feature request. but I am just willing to know if 711-A-2hn has Auto Channel selection. IT helps. I don't know how much but I had a SOHO AP configured with Auto Channel and it worked well with more clients in an area where I had a 411AH with R52H.
Does Auto Channel selection negotiate noise better??

So 5.7 is still being released this week right?

So 5.7 is still being released this week right?

yes

maybe this one

So 5.7 is still being released this week right?

yes

Lol, I logged in on Friday expecting to see 5.7 but noooo

Oh well, better late than buggy.

still not yet schedule fix console command for usermanager in this launch v.5.7?

I've just got a new RB1200 (it came with 5.2), hoping to see the 5.7 improvements soon. Next week, or next month?

still not yet schedule fix console command for usermanager in this launch v.5.7?

I "love" this type of posts!
Ether it is specially designed to force you to ask "What fix?" or poster have illusion that whole world rotates around him and all know about his problems.
No offense, but, please, include some reference or problem description or a link to forum topic


So - what fix?

The girl will come as a bonus to randomly chosen upgraders. Just check the upgrade log file

WHO's gotten the girl! I didn't....

I would like to ask that what is the maximum power of your routers? Mean how many PCs can attach at a time?
I want to buy your router for my university project.

Waiting your reply

Regards,

Aali Shan

How many human beings can be located on the University campus if take that all they do is standing upright?

Or, basically every PC in the world is connected to my routerboard forming the gateway of my network. Its unlimited.


So, you have to refrain. Probably you want to know how much traffic a routerboard can handle. I suggest you go towww.routerboard.comand pick a board and look at its specifications.