Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.Most of these switches are useless for many scenarios, especially for data centres. What's the use of a switch with SFP + ports, if it does not have a uplink? Mikrotik must seriously work on the research and needs of clients. All new switches should have a minimum of 2-4 QSFP ports, otherwise they are useless! Take for example CRS332-32S+RM, what's the use of having 20 servers connected to the 10 Gbps link, if the switch does not have a uplink port? What? I need to do bonding of 5-10 ports and use it as uplink ??? Hello, mikrotik guys, get serious and you will see that the new series of switches has serious lacks, uplink ports are missing!!!
The switch CRS354-48G-4S + 2Q +, which has 48 x 1 Gbps port has QSFP uplinks, and a switch that has 10 Gbps ports does not have a QSFP uplink, Does anyone else think this is funny?
sure it should. what i am more intrigued about is the routerboot changelog for 3.40. i hope it's not a typo there:Is that a typo on the CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ that it says QSFP.Shouldn't it be QSFP+ ?
QSFP+ is just for 40GE, but QSFP28 is up to Nx25/50/100GE, and it also does support fanout.removed support for QSFP28 swapped I2C;
Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.Most of these switches are useless for many scenarios, especially for data centres. What's the use of a switch with SFP + ports, if it does not have a uplink? Mikrotik must seriously work on the research and needs of clients. All new switches should have a minimum of 2-4 QSFP ports, otherwise they are useless! Take for example CRS332-32S+RM, what's the use of having 20 servers connected to the 10 Gbps link, if the switch does not have a uplink port? What? I need to do bonding of 5-10 ports and use it as uplink ??? Hello, mikrotik guys, get serious and you will see that the new series of switches has serious lacks, uplink ports are missing!!!
The switch CRS354-48G-4S + 2Q +, which has 48 x 1 Gbps port has QSFP uplinks, and a switch that has 10 Gbps ports does not have a QSFP uplink, Does anyone else think this is funny?
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports
•4 x SFP + 10 gbit连接
• 2x QSFP ports for 40Gbit connections
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports with PoE out
•4 x SFP + 10 gbit连接
• 2x QSFP+ ports for 40Gbit connections
Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.
CRS305-1G-4S+IN (I don´t know where I should use this one?)
• 4x SFP+ ports
• 1x Gigabit Ethernet
• Metallic enclosure
• Dual DC jacks
Nice for in a riser scenario.
CRS328-4C-20S-4S+RM
• 20x SFP ports
• 4x ETH/SFP combo ports
• 4x SFP+ ports
• Dual PSU
Great, like this product.
CRS332-32S+RM
• 32x SFP+ ports
• RJ45 console and ETH management
• Dual PSU
Should have rather had 20-24 SFP+ and at least 2 x QSFP.
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I really do appreciate that Mikrotik is trying to improve their switch lineup. Just some of their decisions baffles me.
e.g I can get a brand new Juniper EX4600 for 50% more than a CCR1072 (I know its a router, but just to give you an idea of price point).
For this I get:
24 x SFP+
4 x QSFP+
2 x Management ports (ethernet and SFP)
and I can still add two expansion models of 8x SFP+ each, or even 2 x 4 port QSFP+ ports.
When I want to compare to this switch, I can't with Mikrotik. E.g their switch with 32 x SFP+ ports - has no QSFP+ ports, if I only wanted SFP+ I would get a refurb dell for $1200.
I am glad they went with QSFP as it is at a nice price point currently, I think it satisfies more people than QSFP28 would, well at least till the next revision of hardware. For me these are the models that I would have/design:
8 x 1Gbps ethernet and 2 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE (deskmount case)
24 x 1Gbps ethernet and 4 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE. (option of adding an additional PSU)
48 x 1Gbps ethernet and 4 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE. (option of adding an additional PSU)
24 x 10G ethernet and 4 x QSFP+
24 x SFP, and 4 x SFP+ (dual power supplies)
24 x SFP+ and 4 x QSFP+ (dual power supplies)
I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outletAll this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
I'd upgrade in a heartbeat if it wasn't for my uncertainty on what 10GB NIC's to get for my PC's.I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outletAll this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
You should upgrade chicken first and think about egg laterI'd upgrade in a heartbeat if it wasn't for my uncertainty on what 10GB NIC's to get for my PC's.I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outletAll this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
Yeah i do work in a datacentre and most of the 10g traffic stays in the same switch, a leaf/spine uplink strategy will suffice so no need for many QSFP+ ports let alone CFP. If you have a situation where all of the servers hammer down both the server ports and uplink ports in a north-south scenario, given all the issues you can find reported in this same board or the swos board, a crs is going to melt anyway so no point into making such a fuss, if you have such network requirements you need to spec proper switching kit and not Mikro. Let me repeat in case you didn't catch the hint i said twice, mikrotik 10g kit is a decent pick for a homelab where there are no issues if it doesn't perform up to spec, if you have serious datacenter requirements look elsewhere.Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
QSFP+ could be used for future features, like stacking.Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.
True (which would be nice), but just find it strange that the CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ and CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+ switches get QSFP ports, however the SFP+ CRS332-32S+RM switch does not. Maybe something that can still be remedied?Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.
QSFP+ could be used for future features, like stacking.
In my scenario almost all data to server going through uplink ports. Most of 10Gbps clients are IPTV providers, etc... there i no too much data between clients on same switch... Anyway, it is illogical for me to put QSFP uplink on a 1 Gbps ports switch, and not to 10 Gbps ports switch.Yeah i do work in a datacentre and most of the 10g traffic stays in the same switch, a leaf/spine uplink strategy will suffice so no need for many QSFP+ ports let alone CFP. If you have a situation where all of the servers hammer down both the server ports and uplink ports in a north-south scenario, given all the issues you can find reported in this same board or the swos board, a crs is going to melt anyway so no point into making such a fuss, if you have such network requirements you need to spec proper switching kit and not Mikro. Let me repeat in case you didn't catch the hint i said twice, mikrotik 10g kit is a decent pick for a homelab where there are no issues if it doesn't perform up to spec, if you have serious datacenter requirements look elsewhere.Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
I'm curious too... any dates?Hi!
Is there any information when it will be available these switches?
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
Feedback from Mikrotik:I'm curious too... any dates?Hi!
Is there any information when it will be available these switches?
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
CRS317 doesn't have uplink as well. I see it as core switch to support whole network, not aggregation switch. Lets say you get 7x CRS326, 1x CRS317 and one CCR1036 so that you get 20G LACP to each CRS326 and one LACP to CCR1036. While most of the traffic would stay within switch (maybe just using ACLs to limit connectivity) you'd still get 20G routing to world and inter-VLAN which is probably more than enough. Most of high performance interconnects between devices (like storage server to hypervisors) are placed within single VLAN (because storage is latency-sensitive and shouldn't be routed) so they're forwarded just by switch, not router. I think CRS332 is also meant to be core switch with lets say 4x10G LACP for uplink to CCR1072. It's not all that strange. Currently MikroTik has no router with QSFP+ so I don't see any reason why they should add such ports to their switches which I assume are meant to be used together with their routers. As it's been said QSFP+ iin that 48 port switch is rather meant for stacking, not really for uplink. I guess it implies that CRS317 and CRS332 are not meant to be stacked, dunno.In my scenario almost all data to server going through uplink ports. Most of 10Gbps clients are IPTV providers, etc... there i no too much data between clients on same switch... Anyway, it is illogical for me to put QSFP uplink on a 1 Gbps ports switch, and not to 10 Gbps ports switch.Yeah i do work in a datacentre and most of the 10g traffic stays in the same switch, a leaf/spine uplink strategy will suffice so no need for many QSFP+ ports let alone CFP. If you have a situation where all of the servers hammer down both the server ports and uplink ports in a north-south scenario, given all the issues you can find reported in this same board or the swos board, a crs is going to melt anyway so no point into making such a fuss, if you have such network requirements you need to spec proper switching kit and not Mikro. Let me repeat in case you didn't catch the hint i said twice, mikrotik 10g kit is a decent pick for a homelab where there are no issues if it doesn't perform up to spec, if you have serious datacenter requirements look elsewhere.Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
Yes it's really weird one and actually it really reminds me of this:+1 on pricing and availability.
CRS305-1G-4S+IN is definitely a weird one, but I have some ideas if it's cheap enough.
By the way, if anyone noticed, CRS332-32S+RM has now became CRS326-24S+2Q+RMCRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS332-32S+RM
Will be these ever released ?
Awsome, I did let them know that a 24 port SFP+ switch is pretty useless without some QSFP+ ports. Well done Mikrotik.By the way, if anyone noticed, CRS332-32S+RM has now became CRS326-24S+2Q+RM
A NAS card is 450 euro. You could even have 40GbE at home instead of TB3.Awsome, I did let them know that a 24 port SFP+ switch is pretty useless without some QSFP+ ports. Well done Mikrotik.By the way, if anyone noticed, CRS332-32S+RM has now became CRS326-24S+2Q+RM
How much for 6x 4TB NVMe drives?Let's check ... the generic example I've found in Poland: SSD Crucial MX500 500GB for 100$ is too expensive?
Even at your price, it would be $2000 to reach 24TB.Micron Enterprise SSD 9200 MAX 6.4TB NVMe U.2 3 500$ gross
Is CCR1072 already too weak? xD Currently developed switches sound like good foundation for stronger routers (QSFP+ uplinks). So maybe after they get released. It seems Mtk for now tries to fix their strong lacks in L2. But CRS326-24S+2Q+RM needs some nice router with QSFP+ right?When will we see a new high end router like the CCR1072?
I'm actually more interested in pricingEspecially that CRS326-24S+2Q+RM and CRS309-1G-8S+PC because they have opportunity to crush price per SFP+ ratio quite hard. CRS305 for now significantly exceeded my expectations regarding pricing, I thought it's gonna be like 200$+still no release date ?
Tile is still on Mellanox's product pages and it can be reinstated in Linux if someone wants to support it.The chipset has been discontinued, linux dropped support for it, and the new RB4011 pulls down full BGP feeds faster than a CCR1072. It's time for something new in the 1036/1072 range.
ROS 6.x is on kernel 3.x anyways so until MikroTik releases ROS 7 I think Tile is still relevant. So probably for like... next 10 years xDTile is still on Mellanox's product pages and it can be reinstated in Linux if someone wants to support it.The chipset has been discontinued, linux dropped support for it, and the new RB4011 pulls down full BGP feeds faster than a CCR1072. It's time for something new in the 1036/1072 range.
RB4011 and RB1100AHx4 have only 1GB of RAM soldered (not expandable by changing a SODIMM) - is this sufficient to handle full BGP feeds?The chipset has been discontinued, linux dropped support for it, and the new RB4011 pulls down full BGP feeds faster than a CCR1072. It's time for something new in the 1036/1072 range.
up up upCRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS332-32S+RM
Will be these ever released ?
up up upCRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS332-32S+RM
Will be these ever released ?
will be these ever be released ?
It is one year from announcement and still nothing, not a single official word about these units.... I don't get it.
thx for answer, I already found it on YT. Such a shame. I so need this units and this waiting is already SOOO long...up up upCRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
CRS332-32S+RM
Will be these ever released ?
will be these ever be released ?
It is one year from announcement and still nothing, not a single official word about these units.... I don't get it.
It was announcement again at MUM Europe 2019, orderssince Q4'2019
look here
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